Please Do Not Feed The Trolls

~Snooper~

I “found” the following while experiencing the adventures of the moonbat realm at Digital Journal. The trolls are fairly thick over there but they are totally dispensable with facts and wit. The moonbats certainly are not worthy of A Newt One commentary but, an author over there, a moderate and now a member of our Group of Conservative Bloggers, has keen input and the articles the author pens is worthy of study. I had a brain spasm and have lost the link to the authors’ blog. As soon as I obtain their link, I will post it and link-back accordingly that which I “found”…enjoy.

Poor trolls. LMAO!!

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Please Do Not Feed The Trolls

~Snooper~

I “found” the following while experiencing the adventures of the moonbat realm at Digital Journal. The trolls are fairly thick over there but they are totally dispensable with facts and wit. The moonbats certainly are not worthy of A Newt One commentary but, an author over there, a moderate and now a member of our Group of Conservative Bloggers, has keen input and the articles the author pens is worthy of study. I had a brain spasm and have lost the link to the authors’ blog. As soon as I obtain their link, I will post it and link-back accordingly that which I “found”…enjoy.

Poor trolls. LMAO!!

Perfect Example of First Class Trolls-Muslims Against Sharia


On October 13, 2007, my friend Snooper at Take Our Country Back wrote a post exposing a thread of troll behavior titled Chronicle of Moonbat Ignorance.

I responded, 3rd comment down, with this:

Sounds like a troll I’ve got on my blog; the Matthew 5 clued me–

“As for me and my blog, we will serve the LORD!”

Matthew 25:40 “And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”

“So, this year we have a whining loser from a presidential election resorting to scare tactics to get some attention …”

Matthew 25:44 “Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.”

What a fine new testament to Christianity you are, Madam.
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This was on my whiny ass Gore article (the Nobel)…fell free to trounce anytime!

I found the following:

Muslims Against Sharia Poll:
Does Islam Need to Be Reformed?
Not only does Islam need to be reformed, it needs another god as well as being eradicated from the face of the universe.
Snooper,

You should lead “Americans for Muslim genocide”
We will watch as try to “reform” a religion that preaches and practices murder as a tenet of faith.

Nice try at spin but I cannot be spun.

I have seen the elephants in most of the “stan” countries and they are all alike.

Kill ALL that don’t believe as they do.

Nice religion.

If you cannot tell, here is a hint; while you are trying to reform a religion of death and genocide, we will continue to kill all Jihadim. It will make your job easier.
Wow!
My gloves came off many moons ago, Roger.

I cannot afford to play Mr Nice Guy while morons give my country away that I fought and bled and killed for.

I swore an Oath of Service and to me, that Oath is with me until the day I die.

Our enemies are here…now…today…some foreign and some domestic; and ReidCo and his gaggle of jerks are among the enemies within.
Absolutely.

IHHR

Question y’all…why are we still on this post? Just curious!

With the exception of a few non-consequential passages, here is what was next posted between Snooper and MAS:

Snooper
“Islam … needs … [to be] eradicated from the face of the universe”

“a religion that preaches and practices murder as a tenet of faith … Kill ALL that don’t believe as they do”

Are you familiar with the term ‘pathological projection’?

“while you are trying to reform a religion of death and genocide, we will continue to kill all Jihadim. It will make your job easier.”

As a matter of fact, it will. Providing, of course, you understand the difference between Muslims and Jihadim. Unfortunately, people like you usually talk a lot, without actually doing anything.
“…Unfortunately, people like you usually talk a lot, without actually doing anything…”

Unfortunately, you are talking out of your ass so much, you don’t know which hand to wipe with, do you?

Anyway, you accuse me of projection and if you knew anything about me, as stated in my profile that you clearly haven’t read, you would know why I am LMAOAY and ROF!

Go projectile your bullshit someplace else.

And I do understand and know the difference between a Muslim and a Jihadim. A Muslim is an apostate in accordance with your own KOO-KOO-Ran, and a Jihadim is a strict follower of the pedophile and scumbag murderer Muhamoody Nutbar…Allahakbar and all that shit.

Some religion you get there, slick. Cherry pick all you want out of your own Hadith. Makes no difference to me.

Oh. Yeah. one more thing. I have done more than my fair share of eliminating Jihadim, thank you very much and you are welcome.

Over to you.
Sure, just another asshole who is subscribed to the Soldier of Fortune and thinks he is contributing to the War on Terror by mouthing off anti-Juhadi threats. How are you any better than an Islamaniac who fucks camels for a living and thinks that that all Christians are KKK?
Yep…methinks this is yet another jihadi troll, an emotional little snit that lives with mommy.

Thanks for the confirmation. You really were too easy to sniff out.

I could care less about what jihadi scum licker thinks of me or you.

Go get your goats…they got loose.
Just for you, Jihadi, seeing that you cannot seem to locate data. Had you caredd enough to research just a small amount, you would not have proved yourself to be an emotional idiot.

Former HUMINT. ‘Nuf said. I will not go into the details of such former activities, for the obvious reasons. In a nutshell, I have been fighting terrorists and the ideals of said bodies of murderers since 1974. I “retired” (once in never out) in 2004. 28 of those years were in the service of my country, The United States of America. Now that I am a “civilian”, I continue the battles here in the blogosphere and letters, dispatches, emails and faxes. I have determined that the battle(s) begin here, Stateside. We, the members of the Silent Majority, can be silent no more. The Leftinistra have secured and entrenched themselves within the alleged Main Stream Media now renamed as The Lame Stream Media or as I like to call them, The LSD Press. As a friend of mine from Indiana states, “The Silent Majority must stand up and ‘Do The Right Thing’ and overcome the ‘Vocal Minority’.” It can be done. We just need to get up off our complacent rear ends and fight for that which we know in our hearts is right. If we do not, we automatically fall for and support that which we know in our hearts to be wrong.
Former HUMINT”? You might look like a “HUM” but you obviously have no “INT”. I’m sure some of your readers buy it, (they are obviously not too bright if they don’t realize that you can say (or write) anything you want), but we both know that you are full of shit. I hope you enjoy a video depicting you and your yahoos.
What ever “mash”. Again, your self-confirmation of troll status is duly noted.

We can always tell from the emotionally weak outburts.

Run along now troll and stop impersonating real muslim reform agents.

LOL!

Trolls.

“There IS an authentic Muslim Against Sharia but this troll ain’t it.”

You know what your problem is? You make conclusions based on your assumptions, instead of facts. I can easily prove that I am with the Muslims Against Sharia and make you look foolish. Oh, wait, you have already done it all by yourself. Don’t you understand that statements about eradicating Islam make you look like an idiot?
Roger W. Gardner,

I’m surprised you can still breath with your nose buried so far up Snooper’s ass. You might consider changing your name to Snooper’s Lackey.

What’s the point of your stupid little video?

You know, I had linked you to my site–because I thought you were a group truly intent on reforming your murderous belief of following a maniacal pedophile. I’ve since taken that link off since it appears you only wish to ridicule those of us that see the true tenets of islam (yes, lower case on purpose).

By your little diatribe here, I can see you’re truly not interested in reforming your ideological cult.

In your list of prominent muslim “reformists”, I don’t see a whole lot of the ones making a difference and exposing islam for it’s true agenda–people like Brigitte Gabriel or Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Guess I gave you too much credit when I should have been listening to those that actually lived it, and those teaching the rest of us about your cult.

Khalim Massoud <reformislam@gmail.com> wrote:

“What’s the point of your stupid little video?”

Why don’t you ask the guys at Terror-Free Oil who provided this video to us? The same Terror-Free Oil whose spokesman Joe Kaufman (http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/staff/JoeKaufman.php) just happen to run Americans Against Hate (http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/AAH_Logo_200.gif) and CAIRwatch (http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/CW_Logo_200.gif), whose logos you display on your site. Maybe you should take them down also.

“You know, I had linked you to my site–because I thought you were a group truly intent on reforming your murderous belief of following a maniacal pedophile. I’ve since taken that link off since it appears you only wish to ridicule those of us that see the true tenets of islam (yes, lower case on purpose).”

You either enjoy making an ass out of yourself or you are trying to score some points with genocidal rednecks. Aren’t you a little too old to succumb to peer pressure?

“By your little diatribe here, I can see you’re truly not interested in reforming your ideological cult.”

Do you really expect us to sit back and listen to degenerates who call for destructions of Islam? How would you feel about someone explaining to you why Christianity must be eradicated? Why don’t you take a step back and see how dumb and bigoted your statements are?

In the meantime, this appeared in Snooper’s comment section:

I am posting this at the request of Muslims Against Sharia.

Miss Beth,

The video is posted to expose the ignorance of people much like yourself. Our intention is to reform Islam, not to destroy it. Idiots who call for eradication of Islam achieve only two things: radicalizing Muslims & give credence to Islamofascist claims that not just radical Islam, but Islam as a whole is under attack. But apparently people on this forum are too stupid to understand that.

“In your list of prominent muslim “reformists”, I don’t see a whole lot of the ones making a difference and exposing islam for it’s true agenda–people like Brigitte Gabriel or Ayaan Hirsi Ali.”

The list that we have is called “Prominent Moderate Muslims,” which means it is a list of Muslims. Ali says that she is not a Muslim anymore and Gabriel never was. Just because we agree with most of those ladies say, it doesn’t make them Muslim.

So if you have at least half a brain, consider who helps more in the fight against Islamofascism: us exposing radical Muslims and making fun of Islamophobes or you indiscriminately denigrating all Muslims?

Snooper’s lackey,

Dr. Phares is not a Muslim. Just because someone is an Arab, it doesn’t make him a Muslim.

Snooper,

“It must be a fool from CAIR.”

If you weren’t such a moron, you’d might have noticed that half of our blog is dedicated to exposing CAIR as Islamofascists. Some “INT”! The only thing a chicken shit can do when his lies are exposed is to block the truth.

More from the comments section:

Reform it all you want to moron.

When we get done with the Jihadim, we will come for the rest.
The very tenets of Islam is kill all infidel and an infidel is not a MooSlime.

So, you offer disinformation for CAIR?

CAIR like MooSlimes as well.

I have faced your kind in battle before.

One more won’t bather me.

Have a nut and don’t forget which hand to use to wipe yourself off with if we ever meet.
JB, or whomever you are, and whatever your true cause might be you have just succeeded in completely undermining it here.
Dr. Pharis has more credibility in his little finger than you have shown in your whole childish and insulting rants. And Brigitte Gabriel has personal integrity and real life experience fighting against Islam which I doubt very much that you can match.
Be that as it may, my final reply to you is this. You’re a jerk, and I don’t waste my time arguing with jerks.

And I’m back here. I had actually printed his entire letter to me from my email, so some of this is the same.

No, they’re totally the religion of peace and not at all radical–bullshit. Simply a front group trying to lure people in with false claims of reform.

Look what came to my private email from “Khalim Massoud” :

“What’s the point of your stupid little video?”

Why don’t you ask the guys at Terror-Free Oil who provided this video to us? The same Terror-Free Oil whose spokesman Joe Kaufman (http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/staff/ JoeKaufman.php) just happen to run Americans Against Hate (http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/ AAH_Logo_200.gif) and CAIRwatch (http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/ CW_Logo_200.gif), whose logos you display on your site. Maybe you should take them down also.

“You know, I had linked you to my site–because I thought you were a group truly intent on reforming your murderous belief of following a maniacal pedophile. I’ve since taken that link off since it appears you only wish to ridicule those of us that see the true tenets of islam (yes, lower case on purpose).”

You either enjoy making an ass out of yourself or you are trying to score some points with genocidal rednecks. Aren’t you a little too old to succumb to peer pressure?

“By your little diatribe here, I can see you’re truly not interested in reforming your ideological cult.”

Do you really expect us to sit back and listen to degenerates who call for destructions of Islam? How would you feel about someone explaining to you why Christianity must be eradicated? Why don’t you take a step back and see how dumb and bigoted your statements are?
******************

I answered him in PFCV–y’all should have the reply soon.

Such a persuasive way to show us how truly interested in reform they are. If we don’t buy their line hook, line and sinker, look how quickly they stoop to abusive behavior–as the genocidal, maniacal pedophile leader advocates.

Well stated Roger. This one will not be here too much longer.

I find it curious that ITS homepage is Hotmail and IT said IT was with the MudSlimes group.

Not hardly.
RIGHT ON Miss Beth! Point. Set. Match.

Islam SUBSCRIBES to kill ALL non-Islam believers.

What shallow and fettered morons these jerks are indeed.

All was OK until the fool started supporting Pelosi.

That settled it for me right then and there.

Here’s my response to him for those that may have missed it:

Your little temper tantrum and hissy fit, complete with name calling, have done nothing except expose you for the “front” group you are. By luring people in with your claims to reform sharia law (which, incidentally isn’t codified), you then show how intolerant you are for people’s divergent views on the enemy we are facing.

As for Christianity, Christianity “grew up” and matured centuries ago; further Christianity doesn’t promote violence, hatred, zealotry and conversion at the point of a sword. Your own koran promotes just such values. There is no difference between what you term “radical islam” and a religion of peace, as you claim and your own actions both directed at my personal email and the comments left at Snooper’s site show this.

As for my site and the buttons I have displayed, you, Khalim, will not presume to dictate what I display or not display, simply because I’m female and you think your misogynistic ideas of “ruling” me will work. No male rules me, period. Other than God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Ever hear of them? Religion of love, not hate?

Your own actions have confirmed the alleged “bigotry” you claim I exhibit. Should you wish me to listen to you, then show yourself worthy of my time. Otherwise, you are no different than the maniacal pedophile you claim to follow. And, prove that’s incorrect. You may not like people pointing out the facts in such bald language, but you see, political correctness isn’t part of my problem and I call a spade a spade. If you don’t like it, tough.

Prove you’re adult enough to carry on a reasoned discussion or begone with you. I don’t have time for radicals such as yourself.
You know, Christianity is replete throughout its history with miracles witnessed by thousands of people over the years, accumulatively probably closer to millions. Miracles that fly in the face of nature and have no explanation other than, simply, God.

Nowhere in islam have I seen such “proof” in the unprovable, no miracles, nothing to show any divinity anywhere–other than a sun-baked madman who had alleged “revelations” allowing him to engage in despicable behavior. Someone more like David Koresh or Jim Jones rather than Jesus Christ, SAVIOUR.

Khalim’s educated, measured, mature, response:

Your little temper tantrum and hissy fit, complete with name calling,”

If you look at the whole conversation you can see that what you call “little temper tantrum and hissy fit” was an appropriate reaction to a very bigoted statement.

“have done nothing except expose you for the “front” group you are.”

“front group” for what? For Jihadniks? The Jihadniks would want you to believe that all Muslims are the same and they advocate Islamic supremacy, while we do the opposite.

“By luring people in with your claims to reform sharia law (which, incidentally isn’t codified), you then show how intolerant you are for people’s divergent views on the enemy we are facing.”

Intolerant? Adverse reaction to wholesale eradication of my coreligionists and me is a display of intolerance? Are you really that dense?

“As for Christianity, Christianity “grew up” and matured centuries ago;”

Jews were not allowed into Christian country clubs decades ago, not centuries.

“further Christianity doesn’t promote violence, hatred, zealotry and conversion at the point of a sword.”

Not anymore. Remember the Inquisition?

“Your own koran promotes just such values.”

That’s why we advocate for removal of those values: http://www.reformislam.org/verses.php

“There is no difference between what you term “radical islam” and a religion of peace, as you claim and your own actions both directed at my personal email and the comments left at Snooper’s site show this.”

You must be not that bright if you consider my actions unprovoked. Besides calling someone a moron as a reply to a genocidal proposal would be considered a very measured response by most people with brains.

“As for my site and the buttons I have displayed, you, Khalim, will not presume to dictate what I display or not display, simply because I’m female and you think your misogynistic ideas of “ruling” me will work. No male rules me, period. Other than God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Ever hear of them? Religion of love, not hate?”

Does being a female give you an excuse to be stupid? I was just explaining where that “stupid” video came from. Unlike you, we have a lot of respect for TFO, AAH, & CW, and would not consider a video recommended by them stupid.

“Your own actions have confirmed the alleged “bigotry” you claim I exhibit.”

Care to provide an example of my bigotry to substantiate your moronic claim?

“Should you wish me to listen to you, then show yourself worthy of my time. Otherwise, you are no different than the maniacal pedophile you claim to follow. And, prove that’s incorrect. You may not like people pointing out the facts in such bald language, but you see, political correctness isn’t part of my problem and I call a spade a spade. If you don’t like it, tough.”

What facts? I don’t think we disagree on a single FACT regarding the need for Islam to be reformed. However, you seem to be OK with the statement that Islam needs to be eradicated. So, how does that make me the bigot?

“Prove you’re adult enough to carry on a reasoned discussion or begone with you. I don’t have time for radicals such as yourself.”

And what exactly makes me a radical? My opposition to being eradicated? And your not opposing a genocidal proposition makes you a moderate? Maybe you should look up the definitions of those words. Just answer one question. How are you any different from Muslims who do not challenge Islamists who call for eradication/subjugation of Christians?

And, once again, my response:

As I said when you can discuss things as an adult, I will take the time to discuss things with you. When every response you have to me is laced with abuse, you’re not worth my time.

As to the maturation of Christianity, country clubs may have been decades ago; you, however, missed the point by miles and that was Christianity’s maturation from the violence of the Inquisition:

You have yet to show one shred of true divinity, any sort of miracle, in short, anything, to show islam is a true religious belief and not the maniacal ramblings of a violent, misogynistic, maniacal pedophile or to show me any redeeming facets of this cult. You dance around the subject while continuing your diatribe, hissy fit and temper tantrum. Prove to me islam is something worthy of being respected–I have seen nothing yet to warrant the least shred of respect.

Should you truly wish to reform your cultic faith, you would have to throw out the entire koran and start over. Even our Bible only suffered the removal of 7 books at the hands of Martin Luther, not the entire radicalization of the faith. Show you’re capable of arguing apologetics in a respectful manner and give me a reason to believe islam ISN’T simply a cult along the lines of Jim Jones and David Koresh. If that’s bigotry, so be it. Prove me wrong, with hard, salient FACTS, not rambling abuse.

I will not be bullied, particularly by someone who is showing themself to be no more mature than my 2 year old grandson not getting his way. You wish to discuss, you do it with respect, PERIOD.

Got it?

Well stated Miss Beth and Hawk.

I find it curious, Miss Beth that the troll contacted a woman via email and this isn’t your blog. Imagine that?

You touched a nerve Miss Beth and have thoroughly trounced this troll. GREAT job!!

I also find it curious that their alleged religion that we all know to be a cult is trying to remove the passages in their “Bible” and how can anyone remove select and cherry picked verses and still maintain a divine “finding”? The answer is, they cannot.

The pedophile was smoking too much of something, had a hallucination and decided to murder everyone that didn’t agree with his drug-induced vision.

As for the Crusades, they were in retaliation to the murder of Christians by the Islamic Jihadists of days of yore.

Islam is a cult of pieces and NOT a religion of peace.

This thread seems to have deteriorated into a shit flinging match. When life & death issues are discussed, emotions tend to run high, but this is way over the top!

I have had email correspondence with Khalim Massoud and have seen his comments in many blogs. In no prior case have I seen him hurl scatological or bestial references. I find those to be very much out of character, so that I must assume that either he was impersonated or his comments were edited with sarcastic intent.

I am surprised that nobody bothered to point out the cognitive dissonance involved in selectively accepting //rejecting Allah’s statements as revealed in the Qur’an.

Neither is reform Islamically possible. I have previously pointed out the basis for that statement, and it is fully documented in my flier: Can Islam Be Reformed?, available at Crusader’s Armory.

So long as Islam retains its absolutism, literalism, supremacism, triumplahism and mandate to conquer the world, it remains intolerable and we need to make it extinct.
That is not a call to genocide. It is a call to emancipate Allah’s slaves from its yoke of slavery by inducing mass apostasy. There is more than one way of skinning a skunk, but all practical methods result in the death of the skunk.
I think it’s hilarious…they always think women are the weak link–although to be fair, I was the one that told him off in the original letter that he was not going to dictate to be in his alleged male superiority. What they don’t realize and probably haven’t yet figured out then when the muslim women get over their delusions of allah and come into the 21st century, they will be a force to be reckoned with–as slaves were when they were freed–precisely because of the oppression and subjugation forced upon them by these misogynists.

No, a holy book–a TRUE holy book–cannot be excised and shredded and still remain the “Word of God” as they seem to think. While the Bible had 7 books removed during the Reformation, it wasn’t “shredded” and the “meat” of the message was unaltered. It’s not possible to do that with the koran, when every chapter and verse is riddled with violence and hatred.

Here’s his final diatribe–I’m not even going to bother to respond. It’s obvious this is a troll and more than likely NOT the true Khalim Ben has had contact with.

“I am missing the point? That’s coming from someone who claims that her religion is better than somebody else’s? Islamic fundamentalists want Islamic supremacy based on their belief that Islam is superior to other religions. We want religious equality based on our belief that religion is a private matter of every individual. But since you are too damn stupid to understand it, I see no point in continuing this conversation. Enjoy your echo chamber, but don’t try to convince yourself that you do anything useful to defeat Islamofascism. Sitting around bitching about Islam may feel good but it does nothing.”

The comments did come from Khalim. The group does renounce violence, and calls for the removal of approximately 300 ayat from the Qur’an.

Specific denunciation of terrorist groups would not accomplish anything. Putting a permanent end to teaching & preaching the Jihad fard on a global scale could have a very great effect.

I have reason to believe that the group includes at least 3 men, one of them in Russia and one in Sweden. They bought their own domain name and used the services of a professional web designer and hosting company.

They are going against the grain of Islam; what they are trying to do is against the rules laid down in the Qur’an & Sunnah. It could easily get them killed and they are investing real money in the project. I do not have any reason to assume them to be excrement agitators. I do have cause to believe them to be sincere.

Ben, they may very well be sincere and going against the grain is indeed very dangerous. We’re all agreed on that.

However, calling me stupid, moronic, and various other names when I have not stooped to name calling and have asked legitimate questions, doesn’t give me a lot of reason to respect them. And it still doesn’t explain how they got my gmail address and went to my site when what is up now goes to a blank page.

I still have not seen anything legitimate in their claimed beliefs to believe it’s anything other than a cult and they have danced around the issue and the question without answering it. If they cannot answer the question, why don’t they simply convert to a faith they can answer questions about?

And why single out the female to contact directly? Not to mention accusing me of advocating genocide.

If this Khalim is sincere then he needs to back it up several steps, get off his high horse and speak to me as a person, not as an object, and do it with respect, rather than the way he “spoke” to and addressed me. And he owes me a massive apology for the name calling–if you look through the posts, not once did I stoop to his level of disrespect that he JUMPED to in addressing me. For that he should be extremely ashamed for he’s given lie to all his “words” of “change” and treated me as the perception is of the islamic women are treated.

It’s that simple. Is he man enough to do that or is he going to run and act as if I wronged him–as he’s already done.

Nope Snoop, no excuse at all. And we all know patience is NOT my strong suit–yet, anyone who knows me, should have seen the warning signs of my impending mulishness and implacability by the words I was choosing–those are always danger signals to those that know me. I don’t degenerate into total profanity for quite a while but y’all know me well enough to know the more precise I become, the angrier I’m getting.

It’s not likely he’s going to win me over to his way of thinking without massive proof now that he hasn’t given lie to the words on his site, simply by the way he treated me. He’s treated me as a jihadist treated me yet he doesn’t want to be lumped in with them.

Then he needs to prove it and that’s going to be extremely difficult at this point.

Otherwise, I stand by my contention he is acting no better than my 2 year old grandson having a massive tantrum because he couldn’t bully a mere female into buying what he was selling with no facts, no proof, nothing–just supposed to accept it based on his alleged male superiority and because he says so and if I don’t then I’m just a stupid, moronic, genocidal redneck advocating genocide and sitting around bitching.

I’m supposed to respect THAT?

Nope–apologies are in order and if they aren’t forthcoming, well, then we know his true caliber.

FAST FORWARD TO TODAY when my “Trolls” article hit the light of day. Snooper asked me to cross post and I did. However, MAS didn’t have the courage to come onto my blog to discuss things. They went to Snooper’s. Here is where this comment thread is at Snooper’s.

I’m just going to post each comment:

Calling someone who condones genocide a dumb bitch is hardly over the top. How can you in good conscience call yourself a Christian when you support eradication of a religion? Something tells me that Jesus might have a slight problem with your Master Plan.
Get over yourself. The very fact that you have replied to this posting that was cross-posted from the AUTHOR’S blog is all too telling.

If you wan5t to have the conversation with Miss Beth, perhaps you should go over there and duly trounced by her on her blog.

You have destroyed your credibility on my blog and you are about to be severely trounced by me…like last time.

I lifted the ban on you out of the respect I have for Ben.

The CULT of Islam is NOT a religion.

The CULT of Islam condones murder, rape and torture of ALL infidels.

Get over your self-imposed sickness.
And, once again, Snoop, no one condoned genocide [Emphasis mine]-the eradication of a violent ideological social system founded upon the maniacal misogyny and pedophilia of a madman, yes–genocide, no–and if these people cannot tell the difference, that’s on them, not me.
Well stated Miss Beth!
Oh, and there’s a little thing called the Ten Commandments–one in particular that says “Thou Shalt Have No Gods Before Me”…meaning the ONE, ALL POWERFUL GOD–not the so-called prophet allah, not a stone in the middle of the desert, but GOD. So, yes, in that context, and based on the fact Jesus, as a Jew, obeyed His Father’s laws, WOULD INDEED approve of the eradication of a false cult.
OUCH! Truth hurts.
Islam is NOT a religion, certainly not a religion of peace.

Islam IS an abomination in the sight of God the creator of the universe.

For your reading and education visit; http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
or; http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm
or; http://www.faithfreedom.org/ oped…chards50120.htm

And finally; http://www.apostatesofislam.com/…m.com/ index.htm

When you can refute all that is written at the sites I listed for you and convince me, as well as others who visit these blogs, that Islam is a religion or a religion of peace, perhaps then we will listen to you.
Until that time we will believe what what we see, hear and read about Islam.

And you alluded to some “Master Plan”. The only master plan I know about is Islam attempting to convert the entire world to it’s murderous ideology.

Screw Islam.
“no one condoned genocide–the eradication of a violent ideological social system founded upon the maniacal misogyny and pedophilia of a madman, yes–genocide, no”

Snooper called for eradication of Islam. It could be done in two ways: eradication of Muslims or forced conversion of Muslims. Which method do you condone? Or have I overlooked the “humane” way of eradicating of Islam?

“Thou Shalt Have No Gods Before Me”
We (Muslims) believe that God, who is called Yahweh in the Torah, is called Allah in the Koran, which, of course might be slightly inconvenient for implementation of your genocidal plans, so you choose to ignore it.
Stuck on stupid is no way to get folks to listen to you.

If you took the “issue” the wrong way, perhaps you should learn more about the folks you are visiting.

YOU took the WRONG turn when YOU came onto MY blog supporting Nancy Pelosi.

You obviously know NOTHING of Pelosi and what she means to combat vets like myself or currently serving members of our Armed Forces.

Any support for THAT bitch is unacceptable.

It would be best if you didn’t show your lamed-ass Islamic CULT of murder, rape and pedophilia face around here anymore.

Have a nice life and all of the 72 virgins are gay Rotweillers.
I do not see AAH and CW logos anymore. Did those guys asked you to remove the logos or did you do it yourself because of their association with the “dirty Muslims”?
So, Snooper says something and you call ME a dumb bitch [Emphasis mine] instead of taking it up directly with him? Wow, that’s real integrity–just like I was the only one y’all contacted personally in email. Real intellectual honesty there.

I believe I also asked you to state your apologetics of islam–and you have yet to do so. Further, when I asked for those apologetics I extended the question to this: if you can’t defend the faith, why don’t you convert? These are reasonable questions. If you cannot defend your faith, why are you a part of it? And why do you refuse to defend it, instead choosing to attack me for what others have said?

No one has said anything about forcing anyone’s conversion or genocide. Those are YOUR terms–it would be rational to believe that normal people would see the fallacy of their erroneous belief and convert on their own–we, unlike islam, do not preach conversion at the point of a sword.

Once again, you have danced around the questions, refusing to answer them and trying to put words of yours in others’ mouths.

Further, here’s another question we’ve all asked and again, you have yet to answer, preferring to divert attention away from it: How can you completely shred the verses in the koran and have it still be your holy book and the word of your god? You cannot change the word of God–so how do you address that dichotomy? Particularly when that dichotomy is in direct contrast with the God of Holy Scripture–yours preaches violence and ours love? Resolve that dichotomy.

islam is the true genocidal belief and the fact you continue to accuse others of what you say you wish to change is indeed very telling.
Your credibility is sadly lacking as is your intellectual integrity and honesty.
As for my buttons, if you’d read the top of the blog you’d see it loads best in IE. The buttons are there and they stay. I stated before you will not dictate to me or attempt to intimidate me in your mistaken belief of male superiority.

“Any support for THAT bitch is unacceptable.”

Only a moron who claims to be an ex-spy would decry the action based on the source, not the action itself.

This is a comment from our blog about a moron like a Snooper, but from the other side:

Herd mentality leads to hypocrisy.

Yesterday I was discussing Armenian genocide resolution with one of my friends and she thought it was a bad idea for a number of reasons. Bad timing, other genocides are not recognized, etc. Apparently this administration cannot do anything right; all it does is heavily contributes to global warming and pisses off the rest of the world by not considering world opinion. Right after the global warming argument, I informed my friend that this resolution is a Democratic initiative and the administration opposes it. Instantly, all her objections disappeared and she admitted that this resolution might not be such a bad idea after all. I was speechless.

Why does it matter whose idea it is if it is a good idea? Why do some of us more concern ourselves with source of the idea than the idea itself? When are we going to shed herd mentality and start thinking for ourselves, not what we are told?

World opinion about the US and worrying about such is for week-kneed pathetic appeasement drones.

PC is for cowards and morons. Multiculturalism is for the ilk of apologists and retards.

I am none of those. If that bothers you, you are wasting your time here.

Identity politics is for those that cannot or will not think for themselves and take responsibilities for their own actions.

Nice try at spin but I cannot be spun.

As for the “source” of my sentiments towards the Idiot Pelosi are mine and mine alone. If you take issue with that, too damn bad. It is what it is. Too bad you don’t see that.

Knowing the Leftinistra as I do, having studied their antics and the antics of Islamists since 1974 (as far as I am concerned they are the same) the timing of Pelosi’s treachery is also all too telling and you and your ilk missing that is your bad and not mine, no matter WHAT your friend says about it.

The Ottoman Turks are no more.

Your spin controllers need to be fired.
About my “logos”?

I took everything down that created problems loading the pages.

Have motes in your eyes?

GD morons.

“Snooper says something and you call ME a dumb bitch instead of taking it up directly with him?”

You’ve got to be kidding! Go back to the post, read the comments, and see that you proclaimed your support for Snooper and bitched about our “stupid video”, which, incidentally, came from people that you seem to agree with. I know you are a lawyer [Emphasis mine] and are paid to twist the facts for a living, but I think lying to others became so much of a second nature to you that you don’t even realize when you start lying to yourself.

Also, the only reason we emailed to you is because we thought you have enough brains to be reasoned with (unlike the idiot who claims to be an ex-spy). But you, because of that chip on your shoulder, interpreted it as beating on a woman because she is week. And I am the one who should get over myself? Besides, I never called you a dumb bitch; I said it wouldn’t be unreasonable to do so.

“I asked for those apologetics I extended the question to this: if you can’t defend the faith, why don’t you convert? These are reasonable questions.”

Yes, they are. And they are all answered in our manifesto. If you have specific questions, I’d be happy to answer them, but all general questions are answered on our site.

“No one has said anything about forcing anyone’s conversion or genocide. Those are YOUR terms.”

You are correct. However, unless you can show how else Islam could be eradicated, there is no way to go around MY terms.

“Once again, you have danced around the questions, refusing to answer them and trying to put words of yours in others’ mouths.”

OK, ask specific questions and I will answer them. Fair enough?

“How can you completely shred the verses in the koran and have it still be your holy book and the word of your god?”

If you read our manifesto, you will see that we consider that the Koran has been corrupted over the centuries and we are trying to revert it to the original version. There are verses that contradict each other; therefore they could not have come from an infallible source (God). There are verses that call for murder, which could not have possibly come from the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate God.

“You cannot change the word of God–so how do you address that dichotomy?”
The modern version of the Koran IS NOT the original word of God.

“islam is the true genocidal belief”
No, Islam as it is interpreted by many Muslims (based on corruption of the Koran) is a genocidal belief. However there are many Muslims who do not believe in that version of Islam. And our goal is to give voice to those Muslims.

“Your credibility is sadly lacking as is your intellectual integrity and honesty.”

I suggest you asked for refund from whoever taught you legal research. Facts are available on our site, but you make your conclusions based on your assumptions which are not always correct.
You assumptions are way off base–whoever said I was an attorney? I’m not–nor did I ever claim to be.

Further, calling someTHING a ‘stupid video” is vastly different than calling someONE a dumb bitch–and your idea of a reasoned discussion leads a lot to be desired when every LINE of your email contained some sort of PERSONAL insult. You don’t persuade people to your way of thinking by attacking them, their opinions or their personal viewpoints.

I did ask specific questions and you choose to send me to your site. Answer the questions here instead of running. Let all see as they’ve seen your vitriol and assumptions.

I did show how islam could be eradicated–let me extrapolate–reasoned education. By choice, not force. That simple.

I can “buy” you feel the current koran is corrupt. Where is your original authority to translate from? Where did it come from? How do you know it’s the original? What kind of dating has been done and by whom (methods and education backing it up)? WHO is your translator–one person or a team of people for corroboration? What are your corroboration methods?

You do yourself no favors with your continued insults and your lack of respect for others’ opinions. We, as a group, were prepared to back you and give you all the exposure you could have wanted. I’m not likely to do so now and it’s highly unlikely others in our group are as well. And that’s because you chose to attack me as a person and make your egregious assumptions.

As I stated before, you owe me a serious apology and deep down, no matter how you spin it to the outside world, you know it.

Oh, and when I say “defend your faith”, I MEAN YOU, PERSONALLY, not some pre-written speech. I could send you to any number of sites as well. I choose not to, preferring to speak for myself based on my faith and belief. You can reciprocate with the same courtesy.

A few inconsequential posts and then they managed to get themselves banned completely. My parting shot:

Bottom line, why on earth should I show you or anything you write any kind of respect? You have shown me NONE from the minute you contacted me. NONE.

And, in case you didn’t understand, the original “Trolls” post was MINE on MY site, yet you don’t have the courage to come to my site to discuss it.

You have shown nothing but filth and abuse yet you demand respect. You have no courage to come to the original author’s site. You refuse to answer questions, legitimate questions, particularly about your original source for your holy book.

I can quote where Holy Scripture came from–the Dead Sea Scrolls, translated by many versed in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek. Fought over and died over until the final canon was standardized in the 400’s. Not one person’s interpretation, but many. Corroborated over time by many.

You refused to even answer standard scholarly questions but you demand respect.

You don’t deserve respect and you will not get it from me. As for apologies, I will NOT apologize to you for YOU putting words and assumptions of your own onto me and then running with them in the filthy, abusive manner you’ve done. You are quite simply not man or woman enough to admit you’re wrong and have been called out. You said ask specific questions and you’d answer.

I did; you didn’t. You make false claims about me and feed your assumptions from your false claims and want me to apologize? Not likely.

Grow up. At this point, you are no different than your shari’a loving brethren in your intolerance for others views and opinions and are just as much a fringe group as they are.

Now, as you can see they continued their temper tantrums and hissy fits, name calling and nonsense up to the point they got banned. The final straw for me was they demand I give them respect. No.

In looking for their logo to put at the top of this post, I happened across an interesting website. It’s called “Exposing Muslims Against Sharia” here. This site invited MAS to debate the issues on their site. MAS gave these people the same treatment we have been dealt. Here’s where that little travesty with these people took place.

So, these are examples of trolls. This is the kind of nonsense I will not tolerate here.

Learn from the example.

Perfect Example of First Class Trolls-Muslims Against Sharia


On October 13, 2007, my friend Snooper at Take Our Country Back wrote a post exposing a thread of troll behavior titled Chronicle of Moonbat Ignorance.

I responded, 3rd comment down, with this:

Sounds like a troll I’ve got on my blog; the Matthew 5 clued me–

“As for me and my blog, we will serve the LORD!”

Matthew 25:40 “And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”

“So, this year we have a whining loser from a presidential election resorting to scare tactics to get some attention …”

Matthew 25:44 “Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.”

What a fine new testament to Christianity you are, Madam.
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This was on my whiny ass Gore article (the Nobel)…fell free to trounce anytime!

I found the following:

Muslims Against Sharia Poll:
Does Islam Need to Be Reformed?
Not only does Islam need to be reformed, it needs another god as well as being eradicated from the face of the universe.
Snooper,

You should lead “Americans for Muslim genocide”
We will watch as try to “reform” a religion that preaches and practices murder as a tenet of faith.

Nice try at spin but I cannot be spun.

I have seen the elephants in most of the “stan” countries and they are all alike.

Kill ALL that don’t believe as they do.

Nice religion.

If you cannot tell, here is a hint; while you are trying to reform a religion of death and genocide, we will continue to kill all Jihadim. It will make your job easier.
Wow!
My gloves came off many moons ago, Roger.

I cannot afford to play Mr Nice Guy while morons give my country away that I fought and bled and killed for.

I swore an Oath of Service and to me, that Oath is with me until the day I die.

Our enemies are here…now…today…some foreign and some domestic; and ReidCo and his gaggle of jerks are among the enemies within.
Absolutely.

IHHR

Question y’all…why are we still on this post? Just curious!

With the exception of a few non-consequential passages, here is what was next posted between Snooper and MAS:

Snooper
“Islam … needs … [to be] eradicated from the face of the universe”

“a religion that preaches and practices murder as a tenet of faith … Kill ALL that don’t believe as they do”

Are you familiar with the term ‘pathological projection’?

“while you are trying to reform a religion of death and genocide, we will continue to kill all Jihadim. It will make your job easier.”

As a matter of fact, it will. Providing, of course, you understand the difference between Muslims and Jihadim. Unfortunately, people like you usually talk a lot, without actually doing anything.
“…Unfortunately, people like you usually talk a lot, without actually doing anything…”

Unfortunately, you are talking out of your ass so much, you don’t know which hand to wipe with, do you?

Anyway, you accuse me of projection and if you knew anything about me, as stated in my profile that you clearly haven’t read, you would know why I am LMAOAY and ROF!

Go projectile your bullshit someplace else.

And I do understand and know the difference between a Muslim and a Jihadim. A Muslim is an apostate in accordance with your own KOO-KOO-Ran, and a Jihadim is a strict follower of the pedophile and scumbag murderer Muhamoody Nutbar…Allahakbar and all that shit.

Some religion you get there, slick. Cherry pick all you want out of your own Hadith. Makes no difference to me.

Oh. Yeah. one more thing. I have done more than my fair share of eliminating Jihadim, thank you very much and you are welcome.

Over to you.
Sure, just another asshole who is subscribed to the Soldier of Fortune and thinks he is contributing to the War on Terror by mouthing off anti-Juhadi threats. How are you any better than an Islamaniac who fucks camels for a living and thinks that that all Christians are KKK?
Yep…methinks this is yet another jihadi troll, an emotional little snit that lives with mommy.

Thanks for the confirmation. You really were too easy to sniff out.

I could care less about what jihadi scum licker thinks of me or you.

Go get your goats…they got loose.
Just for you, Jihadi, seeing that you cannot seem to locate data. Had you caredd enough to research just a small amount, you would not have proved yourself to be an emotional idiot.

Former HUMINT. ‘Nuf said. I will not go into the details of such former activities, for the obvious reasons. In a nutshell, I have been fighting terrorists and the ideals of said bodies of murderers since 1974. I “retired” (once in never out) in 2004. 28 of those years were in the service of my country, The United States of America. Now that I am a “civilian”, I continue the battles here in the blogosphere and letters, dispatches, emails and faxes. I have determined that the battle(s) begin here, Stateside. We, the members of the Silent Majority, can be silent no more. The Leftinistra have secured and entrenched themselves within the alleged Main Stream Media now renamed as The Lame Stream Media or as I like to call them, The LSD Press. As a friend of mine from Indiana states, “The Silent Majority must stand up and ‘Do The Right Thing’ and overcome the ‘Vocal Minority’.” It can be done. We just need to get up off our complacent rear ends and fight for that which we know in our hearts is right. If we do not, we automatically fall for and support that which we know in our hearts to be wrong.
Former HUMINT”? You might look like a “HUM” but you obviously have no “INT”. I’m sure some of your readers buy it, (they are obviously not too bright if they don’t realize that you can say (or write) anything you want), but we both know that you are full of shit. I hope you enjoy a video depicting you and your yahoos.
What ever “mash”. Again, your self-confirmation of troll status is duly noted.

We can always tell from the emotionally weak outburts.

Run along now troll and stop impersonating real muslim reform agents.

LOL!

Trolls.

“There IS an authentic Muslim Against Sharia but this troll ain’t it.”

You know what your problem is? You make conclusions based on your assumptions, instead of facts. I can easily prove that I am with the Muslims Against Sharia and make you look foolish. Oh, wait, you have already done it all by yourself. Don’t you understand that statements about eradicating Islam make you look like an idiot?
Roger W. Gardner,

I’m surprised you can still breath with your nose buried so far up Snooper’s ass. You might consider changing your name to Snooper’s Lackey.

What’s the point of your stupid little video?

You know, I had linked you to my site–because I thought you were a group truly intent on reforming your murderous belief of following a maniacal pedophile. I’ve since taken that link off since it appears you only wish to ridicule those of us that see the true tenets of islam (yes, lower case on purpose).

By your little diatribe here, I can see you’re truly not interested in reforming your ideological cult.

In your list of prominent muslim “reformists”, I don’t see a whole lot of the ones making a difference and exposing islam for it’s true agenda–people like Brigitte Gabriel or Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Guess I gave you too much credit when I should have been listening to those that actually lived it, and those teaching the rest of us about your cult.

Khalim Massoud <reformislam@gmail.com> wrote:

“What’s the point of your stupid little video?”

Why don’t you ask the guys at Terror-Free Oil who provided this video to us? The same Terror-Free Oil whose spokesman Joe Kaufman (http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/staff/JoeKaufman.php) just happen to run Americans Against Hate (http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/AAH_Logo_200.gif) and CAIRwatch (http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/CW_Logo_200.gif), whose logos you display on your site. Maybe you should take them down also.

“You know, I had linked you to my site–because I thought you were a group truly intent on reforming your murderous belief of following a maniacal pedophile. I’ve since taken that link off since it appears you only wish to ridicule those of us that see the true tenets of islam (yes, lower case on purpose).”

You either enjoy making an ass out of yourself or you are trying to score some points with genocidal rednecks. Aren’t you a little too old to succumb to peer pressure?

“By your little diatribe here, I can see you’re truly not interested in reforming your ideological cult.”

Do you really expect us to sit back and listen to degenerates who call for destructions of Islam? How would you feel about someone explaining to you why Christianity must be eradicated? Why don’t you take a step back and see how dumb and bigoted your statements are?

In the meantime, this appeared in Snooper’s comment section:

I am posting this at the request of Muslims Against Sharia.

Miss Beth,

The video is posted to expose the ignorance of people much like yourself. Our intention is to reform Islam, not to destroy it. Idiots who call for eradication of Islam achieve only two things: radicalizing Muslims & give credence to Islamofascist claims that not just radical Islam, but Islam as a whole is under attack. But apparently people on this forum are too stupid to understand that.

“In your list of prominent muslim “reformists”, I don’t see a whole lot of the ones making a difference and exposing islam for it’s true agenda–people like Brigitte Gabriel or Ayaan Hirsi Ali.”

The list that we have is called “Prominent Moderate Muslims,” which means it is a list of Muslims. Ali says that she is not a Muslim anymore and Gabriel never was. Just because we agree with most of those ladies say, it doesn’t make them Muslim.

So if you have at least half a brain, consider who helps more in the fight against Islamofascism: us exposing radical Muslims and making fun of Islamophobes or you indiscriminately denigrating all Muslims?

Snooper’s lackey,

Dr. Phares is not a Muslim. Just because someone is an Arab, it doesn’t make him a Muslim.

Snooper,

“It must be a fool from CAIR.”

If you weren’t such a moron, you’d might have noticed that half of our blog is dedicated to exposing CAIR as Islamofascists. Some “INT”! The only thing a chicken shit can do when his lies are exposed is to block the truth.

More from the comments section:

Reform it all you want to moron.

When we get done with the Jihadim, we will come for the rest.
The very tenets of Islam is kill all infidel and an infidel is not a MooSlime.

So, you offer disinformation for CAIR?

CAIR like MooSlimes as well.

I have faced your kind in battle before.

One more won’t bather me.

Have a nut and don’t forget which hand to use to wipe yourself off with if we ever meet.
JB, or whomever you are, and whatever your true cause might be you have just succeeded in completely undermining it here.
Dr. Pharis has more credibility in his little finger than you have shown in your whole childish and insulting rants. And Brigitte Gabriel has personal integrity and real life experience fighting against Islam which I doubt very much that you can match.
Be that as it may, my final reply to you is this. You’re a jerk, and I don’t waste my time arguing with jerks.

And I’m back here. I had actually printed his entire letter to me from my email, so some of this is the same.

No, they’re totally the religion of peace and not at all radical–bullshit. Simply a front group trying to lure people in with false claims of reform.

Look what came to my private email from “Khalim Massoud” :

“What’s the point of your stupid little video?”

Why don’t you ask the guys at Terror-Free Oil who provided this video to us? The same Terror-Free Oil whose spokesman Joe Kaufman (http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/staff/ JoeKaufman.php) just happen to run Americans Against Hate (http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/ AAH_Logo_200.gif) and CAIRwatch (http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/ CW_Logo_200.gif), whose logos you display on your site. Maybe you should take them down also.

“You know, I had linked you to my site–because I thought you were a group truly intent on reforming your murderous belief of following a maniacal pedophile. I’ve since taken that link off since it appears you only wish to ridicule those of us that see the true tenets of islam (yes, lower case on purpose).”

You either enjoy making an ass out of yourself or you are trying to score some points with genocidal rednecks. Aren’t you a little too old to succumb to peer pressure?

“By your little diatribe here, I can see you’re truly not interested in reforming your ideological cult.”

Do you really expect us to sit back and listen to degenerates who call for destructions of Islam? How would you feel about someone explaining to you why Christianity must be eradicated? Why don’t you take a step back and see how dumb and bigoted your statements are?
******************

I answered him in PFCV–y’all should have the reply soon.

Such a persuasive way to show us how truly interested in reform they are. If we don’t buy their line hook, line and sinker, look how quickly they stoop to abusive behavior–as the genocidal, maniacal pedophile leader advocates.

Well stated Roger. This one will not be here too much longer.

I find it curious that ITS homepage is Hotmail and IT said IT was with the MudSlimes group.

Not hardly.
RIGHT ON Miss Beth! Point. Set. Match.

Islam SUBSCRIBES to kill ALL non-Islam believers.

What shallow and fettered morons these jerks are indeed.

All was OK until the fool started supporting Pelosi.

That settled it for me right then and there.

Here’s my response to him for those that may have missed it:

Your little temper tantrum and hissy fit, complete with name calling, have done nothing except expose you for the “front” group you are. By luring people in with your claims to reform sharia law (which, incidentally isn’t codified), you then show how intolerant you are for people’s divergent views on the enemy we are facing.

As for Christianity, Christianity “grew up” and matured centuries ago; further Christianity doesn’t promote violence, hatred, zealotry and conversion at the point of a sword. Your own koran promotes just such values. There is no difference between what you term “radical islam” and a religion of peace, as you claim and your own actions both directed at my personal email and the comments left at Snooper’s site show this.

As for my site and the buttons I have displayed, you, Khalim, will not presume to dictate what I display or not display, simply because I’m female and you think your misogynistic ideas of “ruling” me will work. No male rules me, period. Other than God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Ever hear of them? Religion of love, not hate?

Your own actions have confirmed the alleged “bigotry” you claim I exhibit. Should you wish me to listen to you, then show yourself worthy of my time. Otherwise, you are no different than the maniacal pedophile you claim to follow. And, prove that’s incorrect. You may not like people pointing out the facts in such bald language, but you see, political correctness isn’t part of my problem and I call a spade a spade. If you don’t like it, tough.

Prove you’re adult enough to carry on a reasoned discussion or begone with you. I don’t have time for radicals such as yourself.
You know, Christianity is replete throughout its history with miracles witnessed by thousands of people over the years, accumulatively probably closer to millions. Miracles that fly in the face of nature and have no explanation other than, simply, God.

Nowhere in islam have I seen such “proof” in the unprovable, no miracles, nothing to show any divinity anywhere–other than a sun-baked madman who had alleged “revelations” allowing him to engage in despicable behavior. Someone more like David Koresh or Jim Jones rather than Jesus Christ, SAVIOUR.

Khalim’s educated, measured, mature, response:

Your little temper tantrum and hissy fit, complete with name calling,”

If you look at the whole conversation you can see that what you call “little temper tantrum and hissy fit” was an appropriate reaction to a very bigoted statement.

“have done nothing except expose you for the “front” group you are.”

“front group” for what? For Jihadniks? The Jihadniks would want you to believe that all Muslims are the same and they advocate Islamic supremacy, while we do the opposite.

“By luring people in with your claims to reform sharia law (which, incidentally isn’t codified), you then show how intolerant you are for people’s divergent views on the enemy we are facing.”

Intolerant? Adverse reaction to wholesale eradication of my coreligionists and me is a display of intolerance? Are you really that dense?

“As for Christianity, Christianity “grew up” and matured centuries ago;”

Jews were not allowed into Christian country clubs decades ago, not centuries.

“further Christianity doesn’t promote violence, hatred, zealotry and conversion at the point of a sword.”

Not anymore. Remember the Inquisition?

“Your own koran promotes just such values.”

That’s why we advocate for removal of those values: http://www.reformislam.org/verses.php

“There is no difference between what you term “radical islam” and a religion of peace, as you claim and your own actions both directed at my personal email and the comments left at Snooper’s site show this.”

You must be not that bright if you consider my actions unprovoked. Besides calling someone a moron as a reply to a genocidal proposal would be considered a very measured response by most people with brains.

“As for my site and the buttons I have displayed, you, Khalim, will not presume to dictate what I display or not display, simply because I’m female and you think your misogynistic ideas of “ruling” me will work. No male rules me, period. Other than God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Ever hear of them? Religion of love, not hate?”

Does being a female give you an excuse to be stupid? I was just explaining where that “stupid” video came from. Unlike you, we have a lot of respect for TFO, AAH, & CW, and would not consider a video recommended by them stupid.

“Your own actions have confirmed the alleged “bigotry” you claim I exhibit.”

Care to provide an example of my bigotry to substantiate your moronic claim?

“Should you wish me to listen to you, then show yourself worthy of my time. Otherwise, you are no different than the maniacal pedophile you claim to follow. And, prove that’s incorrect. You may not like people pointing out the facts in such bald language, but you see, political correctness isn’t part of my problem and I call a spade a spade. If you don’t like it, tough.”

What facts? I don’t think we disagree on a single FACT regarding the need for Islam to be reformed. However, you seem to be OK with the statement that Islam needs to be eradicated. So, how does that make me the bigot?

“Prove you’re adult enough to carry on a reasoned discussion or begone with you. I don’t have time for radicals such as yourself.”

And what exactly makes me a radical? My opposition to being eradicated? And your not opposing a genocidal proposition makes you a moderate? Maybe you should look up the definitions of those words. Just answer one question. How are you any different from Muslims who do not challenge Islamists who call for eradication/subjugation of Christians?

And, once again, my response:

As I said when you can discuss things as an adult, I will take the time to discuss things with you. When every response you have to me is laced with abuse, you’re not worth my time.

As to the maturation of Christianity, country clubs may have been decades ago; you, however, missed the point by miles and that was Christianity’s maturation from the violence of the Inquisition:

You have yet to show one shred of true divinity, any sort of miracle, in short, anything, to show islam is a true religious belief and not the maniacal ramblings of a violent, misogynistic, maniacal pedophile or to show me any redeeming facets of this cult. You dance around the subject while continuing your diatribe, hissy fit and temper tantrum. Prove to me islam is something worthy of being respected–I have seen nothing yet to warrant the least shred of respect.

Should you truly wish to reform your cultic faith, you would have to throw out the entire koran and start over. Even our Bible only suffered the removal of 7 books at the hands of Martin Luther, not the entire radicalization of the faith. Show you’re capable of arguing apologetics in a respectful manner and give me a reason to believe islam ISN’T simply a cult along the lines of Jim Jones and David Koresh. If that’s bigotry, so be it. Prove me wrong, with hard, salient FACTS, not rambling abuse.

I will not be bullied, particularly by someone who is showing themself to be no more mature than my 2 year old grandson not getting his way. You wish to discuss, you do it with respect, PERIOD.

Got it?

Well stated Miss Beth and Hawk.

I find it curious, Miss Beth that the troll contacted a woman via email and this isn’t your blog. Imagine that?

You touched a nerve Miss Beth and have thoroughly trounced this troll. GREAT job!!

I also find it curious that their alleged religion that we all know to be a cult is trying to remove the passages in their “Bible” and how can anyone remove select and cherry picked verses and still maintain a divine “finding”? The answer is, they cannot.

The pedophile was smoking too much of something, had a hallucination and decided to murder everyone that didn’t agree with his drug-induced vision.

As for the Crusades, they were in retaliation to the murder of Christians by the Islamic Jihadists of days of yore.

Islam is a cult of pieces and NOT a religion of peace.

This thread seems to have deteriorated into a shit flinging match. When life & death issues are discussed, emotions tend to run high, but this is way over the top!

I have had email correspondence with Khalim Massoud and have seen his comments in many blogs. In no prior case have I seen him hurl scatological or bestial references. I find those to be very much out of character, so that I must assume that either he was impersonated or his comments were edited with sarcastic intent.

I am surprised that nobody bothered to point out the cognitive dissonance involved in selectively accepting //rejecting Allah’s statements as revealed in the Qur’an.

Neither is reform Islamically possible. I have previously pointed out the basis for that statement, and it is fully documented in my flier: Can Islam Be Reformed?, available at Crusader’s Armory.

So long as Islam retains its absolutism, literalism, supremacism, triumplahism and mandate to conquer the world, it remains intolerable and we need to make it extinct.
That is not a call to genocide. It is a call to emancipate Allah’s slaves from its yoke of slavery by inducing mass apostasy. There is more than one way of skinning a skunk, but all practical methods result in the death of the skunk.
I think it’s hilarious…they always think women are the weak link–although to be fair, I was the one that told him off in the original letter that he was not going to dictate to be in his alleged male superiority. What they don’t realize and probably haven’t yet figured out then when the muslim women get over their delusions of allah and come into the 21st century, they will be a force to be reckoned with–as slaves were when they were freed–precisely because of the oppression and subjugation forced upon them by these misogynists.

No, a holy book–a TRUE holy book–cannot be excised and shredded and still remain the “Word of God” as they seem to think. While the Bible had 7 books removed during the Reformation, it wasn’t “shredded” and the “meat” of the message was unaltered. It’s not possible to do that with the koran, when every chapter and verse is riddled with violence and hatred.

Here’s his final diatribe–I’m not even going to bother to respond. It’s obvious this is a troll and more than likely NOT the true Khalim Ben has had contact with.

“I am missing the point? That’s coming from someone who claims that her religion is better than somebody else’s? Islamic fundamentalists want Islamic supremacy based on their belief that Islam is superior to other religions. We want religious equality based on our belief that religion is a private matter of every individual. But since you are too damn stupid to understand it, I see no point in continuing this conversation. Enjoy your echo chamber, but don’t try to convince yourself that you do anything useful to defeat Islamofascism. Sitting around bitching about Islam may feel good but it does nothing.”

The comments did come from Khalim. The group does renounce violence, and calls for the removal of approximately 300 ayat from the Qur’an.

Specific denunciation of terrorist groups would not accomplish anything. Putting a permanent end to teaching & preaching the Jihad fard on a global scale could have a very great effect.

I have reason to believe that the group includes at least 3 men, one of them in Russia and one in Sweden. They bought their own domain name and used the services of a professional web designer and hosting company.

They are going against the grain of Islam; what they are trying to do is against the rules laid down in the Qur’an & Sunnah. It could easily get them killed and they are investing real money in the project. I do not have any reason to assume them to be excrement agitators. I do have cause to believe them to be sincere.

Ben, they may very well be sincere and going against the grain is indeed very dangerous. We’re all agreed on that.

However, calling me stupid, moronic, and various other names when I have not stooped to name calling and have asked legitimate questions, doesn’t give me a lot of reason to respect them. And it still doesn’t explain how they got my gmail address and went to my site when what is up now goes to a blank page.

I still have not seen anything legitimate in their claimed beliefs to believe it’s anything other than a cult and they have danced around the issue and the question without answering it. If they cannot answer the question, why don’t they simply convert to a faith they can answer questions about?

And why single out the female to contact directly? Not to mention accusing me of advocating genocide.

If this Khalim is sincere then he needs to back it up several steps, get off his high horse and speak to me as a person, not as an object, and do it with respect, rather than the way he “spoke” to and addressed me. And he owes me a massive apology for the name calling–if you look through the posts, not once did I stoop to his level of disrespect that he JUMPED to in addressing me. For that he should be extremely ashamed for he’s given lie to all his “words” of “change” and treated me as the perception is of the islamic women are treated.

It’s that simple. Is he man enough to do that or is he going to run and act as if I wronged him–as he’s already done.

Nope Snoop, no excuse at all. And we all know patience is NOT my strong suit–yet, anyone who knows me, should have seen the warning signs of my impending mulishness and implacability by the words I was choosing–those are always danger signals to those that know me. I don’t degenerate into total profanity for quite a while but y’all know me well enough to know the more precise I become, the angrier I’m getting.

It’s not likely he’s going to win me over to his way of thinking without massive proof now that he hasn’t given lie to the words on his site, simply by the way he treated me. He’s treated me as a jihadist treated me yet he doesn’t want to be lumped in with them.

Then he needs to prove it and that’s going to be extremely difficult at this point.

Otherwise, I stand by my contention he is acting no better than my 2 year old grandson having a massive tantrum because he couldn’t bully a mere female into buying what he was selling with no facts, no proof, nothing–just supposed to accept it based on his alleged male superiority and because he says so and if I don’t then I’m just a stupid, moronic, genocidal redneck advocating genocide and sitting around bitching.

I’m supposed to respect THAT?

Nope–apologies are in order and if they aren’t forthcoming, well, then we know his true caliber.

FAST FORWARD TO TODAY when my “Trolls” article hit the light of day. Snooper asked me to cross post and I did. However, MAS didn’t have the courage to come onto my blog to discuss things. They went to Snooper’s. Here is where this comment thread is at Snooper’s.

I’m just going to post each comment:

Calling someone who condones genocide a dumb bitch is hardly over the top. How can you in good conscience call yourself a Christian when you support eradication of a religion? Something tells me that Jesus might have a slight problem with your Master Plan.
Get over yourself. The very fact that you have replied to this posting that was cross-posted from the AUTHOR’S blog is all too telling.

If you wan5t to have the conversation with Miss Beth, perhaps you should go over there and duly trounced by her on her blog.

You have destroyed your credibility on my blog and you are about to be severely trounced by me…like last time.

I lifted the ban on you out of the respect I have for Ben.

The CULT of Islam is NOT a religion.

The CULT of Islam condones murder, rape and torture of ALL infidels.

Get over your self-imposed sickness.
And, once again, Snoop, no one condoned genocide [Emphasis mine]-the eradication of a violent ideological social system founded upon the maniacal misogyny and pedophilia of a madman, yes–genocide, no–and if these people cannot tell the difference, that’s on them, not me.
Well stated Miss Beth!
Oh, and there’s a little thing called the Ten Commandments–one in particular that says “Thou Shalt Have No Gods Before Me”…meaning the ONE, ALL POWERFUL GOD–not the so-called prophet allah, not a stone in the middle of the desert, but GOD. So, yes, in that context, and based on the fact Jesus, as a Jew, obeyed His Father’s laws, WOULD INDEED approve of the eradication of a false cult.
OUCH! Truth hurts.
Islam is NOT a religion, certainly not a religion of peace.

Islam IS an abomination in the sight of God the creator of the universe.

For your reading and education visit; http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
or; http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm
or; http://www.faithfreedom.org/ oped…chards50120.htm

And finally; http://www.apostatesofislam.com/…m.com/ index.htm

When you can refute all that is written at the sites I listed for you and convince me, as well as others who visit these blogs, that Islam is a religion or a religion of peace, perhaps then we will listen to you.
Until that time we will believe what what we see, hear and read about Islam.

And you alluded to some “Master Plan”. The only master plan I know about is Islam attempting to convert the entire world to it’s murderous ideology.

Screw Islam.
“no one condoned genocide–the eradication of a violent ideological social system founded upon the maniacal misogyny and pedophilia of a madman, yes–genocide, no”

Snooper called for eradication of Islam. It could be done in two ways: eradication of Muslims or forced conversion of Muslims. Which method do you condone? Or have I overlooked the “humane” way of eradicating of Islam?

“Thou Shalt Have No Gods Before Me”
We (Muslims) believe that God, who is called Yahweh in the Torah, is called Allah in the Koran, which, of course might be slightly inconvenient for implementation of your genocidal plans, so you choose to ignore it.
Stuck on stupid is no way to get folks to listen to you.

If you took the “issue” the wrong way, perhaps you should learn more about the folks you are visiting.

YOU took the WRONG turn when YOU came onto MY blog supporting Nancy Pelosi.

You obviously know NOTHING of Pelosi and what she means to combat vets like myself or currently serving members of our Armed Forces.

Any support for THAT bitch is unacceptable.

It would be best if you didn’t show your lamed-ass Islamic CULT of murder, rape and pedophilia face around here anymore.

Have a nice life and all of the 72 virgins are gay Rotweillers.
I do not see AAH and CW logos anymore. Did those guys asked you to remove the logos or did you do it yourself because of their association with the “dirty Muslims”?
So, Snooper says something and you call ME a dumb bitch [Emphasis mine] instead of taking it up directly with him? Wow, that’s real integrity–just like I was the only one y’all contacted personally in email. Real intellectual honesty there.

I believe I also asked you to state your apologetics of islam–and you have yet to do so. Further, when I asked for those apologetics I extended the question to this: if you can’t defend the faith, why don’t you convert? These are reasonable questions. If you cannot defend your faith, why are you a part of it? And why do you refuse to defend it, instead choosing to attack me for what others have said?

No one has said anything about forcing anyone’s conversion or genocide. Those are YOUR terms–it would be rational to believe that normal people would see the fallacy of their erroneous belief and convert on their own–we, unlike islam, do not preach conversion at the point of a sword.

Once again, you have danced around the questions, refusing to answer them and trying to put words of yours in others’ mouths.

Further, here’s another question we’ve all asked and again, you have yet to answer, preferring to divert attention away from it: How can you completely shred the verses in the koran and have it still be your holy book and the word of your god? You cannot change the word of God–so how do you address that dichotomy? Particularly when that dichotomy is in direct contrast with the God of Holy Scripture–yours preaches violence and ours love? Resolve that dichotomy.

islam is the true genocidal belief and the fact you continue to accuse others of what you say you wish to change is indeed very telling.
Your credibility is sadly lacking as is your intellectual integrity and honesty.
As for my buttons, if you’d read the top of the blog you’d see it loads best in IE. The buttons are there and they stay. I stated before you will not dictate to me or attempt to intimidate me in your mistaken belief of male superiority.

“Any support for THAT bitch is unacceptable.”

Only a moron who claims to be an ex-spy would decry the action based on the source, not the action itself.

This is a comment from our blog about a moron like a Snooper, but from the other side:

Herd mentality leads to hypocrisy.

Yesterday I was discussing Armenian genocide resolution with one of my friends and she thought it was a bad idea for a number of reasons. Bad timing, other genocides are not recognized, etc. Apparently this administration cannot do anything right; all it does is heavily contributes to global warming and pisses off the rest of the world by not considering world opinion. Right after the global warming argument, I informed my friend that this resolution is a Democratic initiative and the administration opposes it. Instantly, all her objections disappeared and she admitted that this resolution might not be such a bad idea after all. I was speechless.

Why does it matter whose idea it is if it is a good idea? Why do some of us more concern ourselves with source of the idea than the idea itself? When are we going to shed herd mentality and start thinking for ourselves, not what we are told?

World opinion about the US and worrying about such is for week-kneed pathetic appeasement drones.

PC is for cowards and morons. Multiculturalism is for the ilk of apologists and retards.

I am none of those. If that bothers you, you are wasting your time here.

Identity politics is for those that cannot or will not think for themselves and take responsibilities for their own actions.

Nice try at spin but I cannot be spun.

As for the “source” of my sentiments towards the Idiot Pelosi are mine and mine alone. If you take issue with that, too damn bad. It is what it is. Too bad you don’t see that.

Knowing the Leftinistra as I do, having studied their antics and the antics of Islamists since 1974 (as far as I am concerned they are the same) the timing of Pelosi’s treachery is also all too telling and you and your ilk missing that is your bad and not mine, no matter WHAT your friend says about it.

The Ottoman Turks are no more.

Your spin controllers need to be fired.
About my “logos”?

I took everything down that created problems loading the pages.

Have motes in your eyes?

GD morons.

“Snooper says something and you call ME a dumb bitch instead of taking it up directly with him?”

You’ve got to be kidding! Go back to the post, read the comments, and see that you proclaimed your support for Snooper and bitched about our “stupid video”, which, incidentally, came from people that you seem to agree with. I know you are a lawyer [Emphasis mine] and are paid to twist the facts for a living, but I think lying to others became so much of a second nature to you that you don’t even realize when you start lying to yourself.

Also, the only reason we emailed to you is because we thought you have enough brains to be reasoned with (unlike the idiot who claims to be an ex-spy). But you, because of that chip on your shoulder, interpreted it as beating on a woman because she is week. And I am the one who should get over myself? Besides, I never called you a dumb bitch; I said it wouldn’t be unreasonable to do so.

“I asked for those apologetics I extended the question to this: if you can’t defend the faith, why don’t you convert? These are reasonable questions.”

Yes, they are. And they are all answered in our manifesto. If you have specific questions, I’d be happy to answer them, but all general questions are answered on our site.

“No one has said anything about forcing anyone’s conversion or genocide. Those are YOUR terms.”

You are correct. However, unless you can show how else Islam could be eradicated, there is no way to go around MY terms.

“Once again, you have danced around the questions, refusing to answer them and trying to put words of yours in others’ mouths.”

OK, ask specific questions and I will answer them. Fair enough?

“How can you completely shred the verses in the koran and have it still be your holy book and the word of your god?”

If you read our manifesto, you will see that we consider that the Koran has been corrupted over the centuries and we are trying to revert it to the original version. There are verses that contradict each other; therefore they could not have come from an infallible source (God). There are verses that call for murder, which could not have possibly come from the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate God.

“You cannot change the word of God–so how do you address that dichotomy?”
The modern version of the Koran IS NOT the original word of God.

“islam is the true genocidal belief”
No, Islam as it is interpreted by many Muslims (based on corruption of the Koran) is a genocidal belief. However there are many Muslims who do not believe in that version of Islam. And our goal is to give voice to those Muslims.

“Your credibility is sadly lacking as is your intellectual integrity and honesty.”

I suggest you asked for refund from whoever taught you legal research. Facts are available on our site, but you make your conclusions based on your assumptions which are not always correct.
You assumptions are way off base–whoever said I was an attorney? I’m not–nor did I ever claim to be.

Further, calling someTHING a ‘stupid video” is vastly different than calling someONE a dumb bitch–and your idea of a reasoned discussion leads a lot to be desired when every LINE of your email contained some sort of PERSONAL insult. You don’t persuade people to your way of thinking by attacking them, their opinions or their personal viewpoints.

I did ask specific questions and you choose to send me to your site. Answer the questions here instead of running. Let all see as they’ve seen your vitriol and assumptions.

I did show how islam could be eradicated–let me extrapolate–reasoned education. By choice, not force. That simple.

I can “buy” you feel the current koran is corrupt. Where is your original authority to translate from? Where did it come from? How do you know it’s the original? What kind of dating has been done and by whom (methods and education backing it up)? WHO is your translator–one person or a team of people for corroboration? What are your corroboration methods?

You do yourself no favors with your continued insults and your lack of respect for others’ opinions. We, as a group, were prepared to back you and give you all the exposure you could have wanted. I’m not likely to do so now and it’s highly unlikely others in our group are as well. And that’s because you chose to attack me as a person and make your egregious assumptions.

As I stated before, you owe me a serious apology and deep down, no matter how you spin it to the outside world, you know it.

Oh, and when I say “defend your faith”, I MEAN YOU, PERSONALLY, not some pre-written speech. I could send you to any number of sites as well. I choose not to, preferring to speak for myself based on my faith and belief. You can reciprocate with the same courtesy.

A few inconsequential posts and then they managed to get themselves banned completely. My parting shot:

Bottom line, why on earth should I show you or anything you write any kind of respect? You have shown me NONE from the minute you contacted me. NONE.

And, in case you didn’t understand, the original “Trolls” post was MINE on MY site, yet you don’t have the courage to come to my site to discuss it.

You have shown nothing but filth and abuse yet you demand respect. You have no courage to come to the original author’s site. You refuse to answer questions, legitimate questions, particularly about your original source for your holy book.

I can quote where Holy Scripture came from–the Dead Sea Scrolls, translated by many versed in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek. Fought over and died over until the final canon was standardized in the 400’s. Not one person’s interpretation, but many. Corroborated over time by many.

You refused to even answer standard scholarly questions but you demand respect.

You don’t deserve respect and you will not get it from me. As for apologies, I will NOT apologize to you for YOU putting words and assumptions of your own onto me and then running with them in the filthy, abusive manner you’ve done. You are quite simply not man or woman enough to admit you’re wrong and have been called out. You said ask specific questions and you’d answer.

I did; you didn’t. You make false claims about me and feed your assumptions from your false claims and want me to apologize? Not likely.

Grow up. At this point, you are no different than your shari’a loving brethren in your intolerance for others views and opinions and are just as much a fringe group as they are.

Now, as you can see they continued their temper tantrums and hissy fits, name calling and nonsense up to the point they got banned. The final straw for me was they demand I give them respect. No.

In looking for their logo to put at the top of this post, I happened across an interesting website. It’s called “Exposing Muslims Against Sharia” here. This site invited MAS to debate the issues on their site. MAS gave these people the same treatment we have been dealt. Here’s where that little travesty with these people took place.

So, these are examples of trolls. This is the kind of nonsense I will not tolerate here.

Learn from the example.

The Inspiration Behind "Trolls"


Last night, prior to posting “Trolls”, I was catching up on my reading from all the sources I subscribe to. One of my favorite radio hosts is Dennis Prager because he refuses to argue, preferring understanding to agreement.

I happen to think along the same lines.

His post at Townhall.com titled “Internet Anonymity is as Destructive as Internet Porn” was the inspiration for “Trolls”. Since my trackbacks don’t work too well with Townhall.com, I’m pasting his entire article here. It’s thought provoking and should give all true, rational adults something to think about before they post “flaming” comments on others’ blogs. I know I have tightened up my rules and will no longer tolerate “flaming” in my comments sections on my blog. I won’t succumb to the childish nonsense instigators choose to toss out. For more on my rules, go back and read “Trolls”.

A word to the wise, however. Should you choose to “flame” me, either on my blog or a blog I contribute to, I will have no compunction showing comment threads in all their glory and exposing your childishness for the world to see, complete with links. I’m simply not going to tolerate it any longer and perhaps, if you are shown to be the child you choose to act as, often enough, you may start to see the light that people are tired of such behavior and may actually choose to act as a rational, reasonable adult.

Here’s Mr. Prager’s article:

Whenever people lament aspects of the Internet, they are most likely to lament the net’s ubiquity of pornography. Only God knows, for example, how many kids, searching for some government information, typed in “whitehouse.com” only to be greeted by pornographic images (happily, the website changed hands in 2004). It is almost impossible to completely avoid such imagery even with filtering programs.

But there is something at least as awful — and arguably more destructive — that permeates the Internet: the lies, vitriol, obscenities and ad hominem attacks made by anonymous individuals on almost every website that deals with public issues.

Sexual images and prose for the purpose of sexual titillation are not new. But the ability of anyone in society to debase public discourse is new. Until the Internet, in the public’s best known venue for self-expression — letters to the editor published in newspapers and magazines — people either expressed themselves in a civilized manner or they were not published. And overwhelmingly, even those letters that were not published were written in a respectful manner because the letter-writers had to reveal their real names and their addresses (though only names and cities were published).

Being identifiable breeds responsibility; anonymity breeds irresponsibility.

That is why people — even generally decent people — tend to act so much less morally when in a crowd (the crowd renders them anonymous). That is why people tend to act more decently when they walk around with their names printed on a nametag. That is why people act more rudely when in their cars — they cannot be identified as they could outside of their car. There is no question but that most people would write very different entries on the Internet if their names were printed alongside their submission.

E-mail provides another example. It is the very rare individual who sends a hate-filled, obscenity-laced e-mail that includes his name. As the recipient of such e-mails, I know firsthand how rarely people identify themselves when sending hate-filled mail. It is so rare, in fact, that I usually respond to hate mail that includes the writer’s name just to commend him for attaching his name to something so embarrassing.

The Internet practice of giving everyone the ability to express himself anonymously for millions to read has debased public discourse. Cursing, ad hominem attacks and/or the utter absence of logic characterize a large percentage of many websites’ “comments” sections. And because people tend to do what society says it is OK to do, many people, especially younger people, are coming to view such primitive forms of self-expression as acceptable.

Some might argue that anonymity enables people to more freely express their thoughts. But this is not true. Anonymity only enables people to more freely express their feelings. Anonymity values feelings over thought, and immediate expression over thoughtful reflection.

There is not one good reason for any website, left or right, or non-political, to allow people to avoid identifying themselves. Anyone interested in serious political discourse, or in merely lowering the hate levels in our country, should welcome the banning of anonymous postings.

It would be interesting to find out how many websites continue to encourage anonymous postings. Presumably, they would pay some financial price by insisting on posters identifying themselves. I don’t know why, and I don’t know how big a price that would be, but it is hard to imagine that it is higher than the price society pays when hate, anger and irrationality become the normal way of citizens expressing themselves. And even from the websites’ own perspectives this policy is probably self-defeating. I doubt I am alone in reading fewer and fewer comments sections because of the low level of so many of the postings. Just as bad money chases away good money, moronic postings chase away intelligent ones. I have come to the point where I even read fewer comments posted about my own columns.

Websites should insist on listing names and cities of those who post comments, just as newspapers and magazines do.

The irresponsible, the angry, the obscene and the dumb have virtually taken over many Internet dialogues. But there is an easy fix, and websites owe it to society to use it. Just ban anonymous postings.

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Wise words, indeed.

The Inspiration Behind "Trolls"


Last night, prior to posting “Trolls”, I was catching up on my reading from all the sources I subscribe to. One of my favorite radio hosts is Dennis Prager because he refuses to argue, preferring understanding to agreement.

I happen to think along the same lines.

His post at Townhall.com titled “Internet Anonymity is as Destructive as Internet Porn” was the inspiration for “Trolls”. Since my trackbacks don’t work too well with Townhall.com, I’m pasting his entire article here. It’s thought provoking and should give all true, rational adults something to think about before they post “flaming” comments on others’ blogs. I know I have tightened up my rules and will no longer tolerate “flaming” in my comments sections on my blog. I won’t succumb to the childish nonsense instigators choose to toss out. For more on my rules, go back and read “Trolls”.

A word to the wise, however. Should you choose to “flame” me, either on my blog or a blog I contribute to, I will have no compunction showing comment threads in all their glory and exposing your childishness for the world to see, complete with links. I’m simply not going to tolerate it any longer and perhaps, if you are shown to be the child you choose to act as, often enough, you may start to see the light that people are tired of such behavior and may actually choose to act as a rational, reasonable adult.

Here’s Mr. Prager’s article:

Whenever people lament aspects of the Internet, they are most likely to lament the net’s ubiquity of pornography. Only God knows, for example, how many kids, searching for some government information, typed in “whitehouse.com” only to be greeted by pornographic images (happily, the website changed hands in 2004). It is almost impossible to completely avoid such imagery even with filtering programs.

But there is something at least as awful — and arguably more destructive — that permeates the Internet: the lies, vitriol, obscenities and ad hominem attacks made by anonymous individuals on almost every website that deals with public issues.

Sexual images and prose for the purpose of sexual titillation are not new. But the ability of anyone in society to debase public discourse is new. Until the Internet, in the public’s best known venue for self-expression — letters to the editor published in newspapers and magazines — people either expressed themselves in a civilized manner or they were not published. And overwhelmingly, even those letters that were not published were written in a respectful manner because the letter-writers had to reveal their real names and their addresses (though only names and cities were published).

Being identifiable breeds responsibility; anonymity breeds irresponsibility.

That is why people — even generally decent people — tend to act so much less morally when in a crowd (the crowd renders them anonymous). That is why people tend to act more decently when they walk around with their names printed on a nametag. That is why people act more rudely when in their cars — they cannot be identified as they could outside of their car. There is no question but that most people would write very different entries on the Internet if their names were printed alongside their submission.

E-mail provides another example. It is the very rare individual who sends a hate-filled, obscenity-laced e-mail that includes his name. As the recipient of such e-mails, I know firsthand how rarely people identify themselves when sending hate-filled mail. It is so rare, in fact, that I usually respond to hate mail that includes the writer’s name just to commend him for attaching his name to something so embarrassing.

The Internet practice of giving everyone the ability to express himself anonymously for millions to read has debased public discourse. Cursing, ad hominem attacks and/or the utter absence of logic characterize a large percentage of many websites’ “comments” sections. And because people tend to do what society says it is OK to do, many people, especially younger people, are coming to view such primitive forms of self-expression as acceptable.

Some might argue that anonymity enables people to more freely express their thoughts. But this is not true. Anonymity only enables people to more freely express their feelings. Anonymity values feelings over thought, and immediate expression over thoughtful reflection.

There is not one good reason for any website, left or right, or non-political, to allow people to avoid identifying themselves. Anyone interested in serious political discourse, or in merely lowering the hate levels in our country, should welcome the banning of anonymous postings.

It would be interesting to find out how many websites continue to encourage anonymous postings. Presumably, they would pay some financial price by insisting on posters identifying themselves. I don’t know why, and I don’t know how big a price that would be, but it is hard to imagine that it is higher than the price society pays when hate, anger and irrationality become the normal way of citizens expressing themselves. And even from the websites’ own perspectives this policy is probably self-defeating. I doubt I am alone in reading fewer and fewer comments sections because of the low level of so many of the postings. Just as bad money chases away good money, moronic postings chase away intelligent ones. I have come to the point where I even read fewer comments posted about my own columns.

Websites should insist on listing names and cities of those who post comments, just as newspapers and magazines do.

The irresponsible, the angry, the obscene and the dumb have virtually taken over many Internet dialogues. But there is an easy fix, and websites owe it to society to use it. Just ban anonymous postings.

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Wise words, indeed.

Trolls


Like a lot of us in the blogosphere, I’m subscribed to many sources where I get my information. If there are articles I feel are relevant to the day, I start hunting down other sources and researching, and then finally posting. It can be extremely time consuming; however, a good “gauge” of relevant issues is my talk radio while I’m working. Since I’m fortunate enough to have my own secretary, I can often wear headphones while attending to my job duties and not be interrupted by the phone. Unfortunately for me, my secretary is only part time.

One of the challenges bloggers face are a phenom called “trolls”–those who trawl posts with the specific intent of causing trouble. They have no interest in discussing a post, debating rationally, logically or reasonably. Most of the bloggers in my sphere have no problem with people who want to discuss issues and come to a modicum of understanding. What we do object to is spamming, anonymous posts, abuse and off topic meanderings. That’ll get you banned every time. Then we have to re-edit those who come back screeching we’re violating their First Amendment rights by banning and editing their loopiness and craziness.

Well, here’s a news flash for you. On our individual blogs, we are the reigning authority as to what we will or will not accept in our comment sections. Three of us have moderator rights on each other’s blogs to “cover” when the owner isn’t available or is extremely busy.

Here’s another news flash for you. The Freedom of Expression you are so upset about having suppressed goes both ways. It’s not an exclusive right of the lunatic fringes. And along with that right to expression comes consequences to your expressions. That’s the beauty of a “right”–it also has “responsibilities” and if you don’t exercise your “right” properly, you face the consequences of your actions (or in this case, words). Further, while you are more than free to express yourself, I am also free not to want your expressions polluting my life. That’s my right-to choose to listen or not, based on your demeanor.

In short, if you want people to listen to what you have to say, use your right to express yourself in a responsible, logical, rational manner, backed up with facts (or, if you only have opinions, explain why you hold those opinions–and “because so and so said so” isn’t a valid explanation–think for yourself).

If you want me to see your side of something, present it to me in an adult manner. Coming onto my site, commenting on your speculation of my private life, throwing out threats, name-calling, etc., is not going to persuade me to your point of view. Present your side in a well prepared manner with verifiable links and stick to the topic. Otherwise, you’re going to be banned and edited.

And if I tell you your presence is not welcome at my site, leave and don’t come back–and you do–I consider your actions as I do in the real world, to be that of a criminal stalker and I will respond with reports, backups of your posts, lists of times you visited my site after being told to stay away–in short, all the evidence I need to prosecute you through local, state and federal channels. That is my right and I exercise it.

If you consistently threaten me, my children and family, contact my children’s schools, threaten my livelihood, etc. because you don’t like what I write–and I’ve told you repeatedly to stay away from my site and don’t come back, all of the above will happen to you. In fact, in one case, it is already happening. Spree, from Wake Up America, is the acknowledged queen of research; I am the queen of documentation.

There is a group out in the blogosphere called “Muslims Against Sharia“. Their stated goal is reforming islam, basically “growing up” islam into the 21st century as Christianity matured out of the dark ages and the Inquisition. When I first heard about them, I was very encouraged at what they were trying to do and the obvious risk they were taking in doing so, with all the fatwas thrown out for those trying to break away from the stated purpose if islam. I even had them linked to my site in a spot all their own.

That link has since been erased. While their stated goals are honorable and I acknowledge the danger they are in for their goals, their methods of persuasion leave a lot to be desired. Over at Snooper’s Take Our Country Back, they degenerated into a complete hissy fit/temper tantrum, complete with name calling and abuse. After reading their diatribe, I wrote my own comment. Thereafter, they chose to contact me on my personal email, attempt to dictate to me what banners and buttons I should display on my site, and every single line of every single response to me contained an obscenity, another denigrating name, or some other form of abuse.

What was interesting was they didn’t contact the men–they contacted me, a female. While one of the members is female, presumably they were thinking along the lines of traditional islam in that as a female I would be cowed by their attitudes and give in to their shenanigans. As it turned out later (and things are still on-going), it APPEARS the female member of the group is the one responsible for the majority of the filth. This is NOT the way to persuade someone to your point of view and I won’t be re-linking them to my site, no matter how honorable their intentions may be. They have shown themselves to be as intolerant as their shari’a loving brethren.

There is another camp follower of ours who has stalked us from the GOP.com blog to our personal sites, much like camp follower whores who follow soldiers for sex.

She has nothing constructive to say on any of the posts and appears to live simply to instigate trouble. She doesn’t like being moderated and when she goes from blog to blog she is summarily banned and deleted. She uses something akin to Anonymouse and changes IP’s frequently. She blogs over at “blogging for jesus” (I won’t pollute my blog with the link) and suffers from acute delusions of grandeur. She purports to be extremely intelligent; however, she is actually acutely mentally ill. She hides behind the name “Raoul” or anyone of a kazillion nicknames she considers “cutesy”.

Her rantings and ramblings are relatively cyclical, either from running out of her psychotropic medications and not getting them filled properly, or we believe, she is institutionalized and receives periodic time on some institutional computer. She loves jihadis and communism. She also rambles how she has God’s direct line. Further, she can’t decide where she lives–it could be anywhere from France to Canada to the moon–although her IP’s always originate in New Jersey.

Her blog is nothing but her insane ramblings against those of us she has chosen to stalk. Truly a sick individual. From the way she treats other women, it’s obvious she’s miserable being a woman.

Her attitude toward others would be akin to Dana Carvey’s “Church Lady” on methamphetamine laced with a bad dose of LSD.

She admits to lurking and contacting my children’s schools because she doesn’t like what I write. She’s threatened my job and place of business. She has been told to stay away from this site and not come back. She is the person referred to above who has been documented, from comments to site visits, and reported to local, state and federal authorities.

So, if you wish to comment on my blog, I’ll welcome speaking to you. Until you go nuts or fruit loops. When you start calling me or my other commenters names, abusing me or others, veering away from the post topic, keep in mind the rules.

Don’t post anonymously. It will be erased. Stick to the topic in a reasonable fashion. Mind your manners. Act like civilized ladies and gentlemen and not like barbaric animals. Don’t repeat talking points without backing them up with cold, hard facts and logic. Talking points for the sake of talking points will be erased as propaganda. I’m not here to be your spamming board. You may not be Christian, but you will listen to others religious views if you expect yours to be listened to. Debate is always welcome from reasonable adults. Act like it.

And, as Spree says, if you don’t like the rules, you have two options: 1) don’t come by here–no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you; 2) there’s a little red “X” at the top right corner of your screen–click it and don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.